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Posted: Paul Levy ~ Time Monk Radio Presents ~ June 1st, 2012

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  1. Time Monk
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    Time Monk Radio Network Presents:
    Paul Levy
    Friday June 1st, 2012
    8pm EDT/12am UTC


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    Paul’s new book “Wetiko”: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known To Humanity​
    "There is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves that has the potential either to destroy our species or wake us up, depending upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us. In Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity, I pay homage to and appreciate how Native American traditions have been tracking the very same psychic virus which I am pointing at. The indigenous art-iculation of the disease is truly inspired and helps all of us to see and get in focus this elusive, nonlocal parasite of the mind even more clearly. In this book, I contemplate how the Native tradition’s expression of this disease of the soul, combined with my articulation of this same malady based on my own personal experience, help to bring each other’s vision into sharper clarity and focus. I look forward to many others adding their insights to the mix so as to deepen our understanding and flesh out our course of action in relation to this psychic plague even more clearly.​
    Writing this book has helped me stay sane in a world gone mad. Our species is clearly in the middle of a mass psychic epidemic, which in my book I call malignant egophrenia and Native Americans call wetiko psychosis. Whichever name we use, we are in the midst of a collective psychosis of titanic proportions, and one of its most stunning features is that very few people are even talking about it. This seems extremely crazy to me. Our madness has truly become normalized, to the point that we don’t even notice it. This book is attempting to illumine and articulate both the madness, as well as the source of the madness, which is ourselves."​
    An artist, after the trauma of his shamanic break-down/through, he became a certified art teacher. Due to his intense interest in the work of C. G. Jung, by the end of the decade he found himself the manager of the C. G. Jung Foundation Book Service in New York. In 1993, after many years of struggling to contain and integrate his non-ordinary experiences, Paul started to openly share his insights about the dreamlike nature of reality. He began giving talks and facilitating groups based on how life is a shared waking dream that we are all co-creating and co-dreaming together. Paul has developed a unique and creative vehicle to introduce people to the dream-like nature of reality that he calls “The Dreaming Up Process,” which is based on the realization that the same dreaming mind that dreams our dreams at night is dreaming our life. He teaches this dreaming up process in “Awakening in the Dream Groups” where people who are awakening to the dream-like nature of reality come together and collaboratively help each other to wake up in the dream together. A wounded healer in private practice, he assists others who are also awakening to the dreamlike nature of reality.​
    Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, as well as an innovator in the field of dreaming (both night dreams as well as waking dreams). A Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 30 years, he has intimately studied with some of the greatest spiritual masters of Tibet and Burma. He is the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity.​
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    Here are my questions for Paul:


    1. Throughout your book, you call your readers to consider that the evil that we see in the world ‘out there’ is actually a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves as an individual microcosm of the collective macrocosm. Some people may find this difficult to understand and might feel threatened by this, or, can’t see how this could be – there are a lot of Big Wetiko’s out there doing a lot of harm in the world. Would you give us an overview of Wetiko, how you see it as highly contagious, and why it is so difficult to see much less get out of?
    2. When we are caught in the Wetiko disease, rather than unconsciously reacting and projecting the shadow side of ourselves, would you define what shadow projection is, and what would be a more appropriate movement in the face of the evil in the world?
    3. How does seeing the ‘field’, our inter-connectedness, in its nonlinear and nonlocal display empower us with the visionary tools we need?
    4. Wetiko seems to utilize shadow projections as its main vehicle of transmission. When there is a mutual shadow projection between individuals, groups, cultures or nations, what dynamics can go on, and how do we collectively mirror what begins on an individual level?
    5. Paul, you also write about Wetikos as soul murderers, who seek to kill tenderness, vulnerability and aliveness, anything that might break down the armour surrounding their hearts. Yet you also speak of how they are trying to deal with their own suffering. I can see how we might all do this, to greater or lesser degrees and there seems a great sadness in this, more pain borne from pain…..Would you speak more of this, and also speak of how this might be a way of denying or avoiding suffering including your thoughts on this gained from your Buddhist practice.
    6. It might seem very overwhelming to begin to find one’s way out of the Wetiko disease, especially given that this abuse has been passed countless generations from ancestors past, possibly building through each generation until we arrive where we are today. What words of hope & encouragement can you offer to those of us who would like to try to step-by-step name & dissolve this disease?
    7. In your book, you recommend the Buddhist teaching of ‘The Lion’s Gaze’ as a way to engage with the Wetiko disease. Would you please describe this practice, and why you recommend it?
    8. You have said that Wetiko is a disease of evil but that it also carries its own medicine; that it can be the greatest impetus for our evolutionary growth in consciousness. You wrote that “the Wetiko virus forces us to mutate relative to it”. Would you please speak of how this seeming duality functions as, in your words, “itself the instrument of higher intelligence”?

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    I want to preface my questions first by saying thank you for your work and that i believe you were dead on target in identifying Bush Jr's madness. What I find really prescient in that is your hypothesis that Jr's psychosis was and still is a reflection of quote: our collective psychosis. As such I believe you have named the current condition of the human condition anduntil we accept this as fact we're pretty much stuck with it as fate. Or, to put it in Jungian terms, "when an inner situation is not made conscious it appears outside as fate". Was Jung implying that consciousness is victum to its own subconscious and do you agree with that?

    Assuming you align with Jung's observation, and, though its clear you make distinctions between them you use the terms 'darkness, psychic madness, disease of the soul, malignent egophrenia, wetico', etc, somewhat interchangably - is Jung's 'inner situation' the same or similar to what you call the darkside and, could we extrapolate then to say that this darkside, in its current condition of both the collective and individuals, is primarily psychotic in its thought and behaviours?

    Is there a distinction between unconscious and subconscious that we need to understand?

    Its clear we are being lied to by our leaders in power positions which is to say we are being betrayed. This dynamic seems to be woven midst their psychosis. In context of reflections, is the betrayal a reflection of our lieing to ourselves in reguard to the very existance of our darkside? Would you reguard this lack of talking about it as a form of denial that's playing a role in manifestation?

    In Close Encounters you state: Whichever name we use, we are in the midst of a collective psychosis of titanic proportions, and one of its most stunning features is that very few people are even talking about it. Do you think this lack of talking about it is the very evidence that validates exactly what you posit and could even be reflective of causality?

    You also state: I look forward to many others adding their insights to the mix so as to deepen our understanding and flesh out our course of action in relation to this psychic plague even more clearly. Toward that end - and to lay some groundwork for my next question as well - its assumed in some circles that thoughts and feelings of we humans are energy in some form and the dynamics of the state such energies are in at a given time has everything to do with manifestation going forward. So in dealing with our Witico we are dealing with energy and, to be more specific, we are dealing with a particular state energy is in. Would you agree with those assumptions as a loose theory toward understanding the dynamics of manifestation as applies at least to the human condition?

    Do you think its possible to deny some aspect, some part of ourselves that may be conscious to us only as some feeling and/or thoughts of ourselves as 'unacceptabe' and, as a direct result of the denial, the state of the energy that is that essense then splits off from the core conscious self to then go outside the self where it may align with 'like minded' or similarly charged energy and act out in behaviour reflective of the state the energy is in? And if so what might you say then of the dynamics of denial vs the dynamics of unconditional acceptance for all of ourselves as perhaps the sin qua non or causal influence to the state energies are in at any given time and thus, to the experiences we draw to ourselves?

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    i haven't a clue as to why the font is so small in most of my comment. can anyone help me out here?

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    thx fox. could you do one more thing? the last sentence in para 4 should be last sentence in para 5. i didn't see an edit option but maybe because i forgot to log in. thx again... p

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